Even Though Nutmeg Thinks I’m a Liar
27
September
So I watched last night.

Going into the debate I was about 60% Obama, 40% McCain, based on my thus far unscientific review of the candidates and my positions on the issues (no matter what Nutmeg might think). I felt Obama at least had assembled an economic plan and was going to be better able to adapt to the quickly changing financial landscape, and that’s got to be among the most important, immediate challenges facing the next President.
Then the debate got rolling. McCain spoke in simple terms about votin’, fightin’ and taxatin’ that reminded me a little of Sara Palin. Not an advantage.
Obama was very articulate. At the start. I don’t know if he felt like he was coming off as elitist relative to McCain, but soon he was talkin’ ’bout taxatin’, too. By mid-debate the closed captioning service had to make a run to Wal*Mart for more apostrophes. It didn’t seem to take very long before it appeared Obama was getting flustered and on the defensive, accidentally thwopping his mic and spending a good portion of each of his time chunks explaining and clarifying.
Obama fired the first salvo, the first negative shot. He spoke first, so I suppose that’s to be expected. McCain, possibly following on the success of Obama’s lines in his acceptance speech about things McCain doesn’t understand, sang the same refrain about Obama, and did it often.
One thing McCain did on a few occasions with success was to give a more historical perspective on current situations; an understanding of what happened in the previous two decades that led to today’s current state in the various situations abroad (Pakistan, Iraq, Russia) that were discussed. He made a point that resonated with me; if Obama was so concerned about the situation in Afghanistan or Pakistan, why didn’t he get on a plane and go see for himself? McCain claimed that as the chair for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on European Affairs, he’s done little. It’s a job his running mate worked to be able to turn into something truly substantive. The selection of Biden for his credentials as a foreign relations guru came because of his work holding the very same position Obama holds in the Senate.
Another thing that resonated was the claim of meeting without preconditions Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (totally copied and pasted that name, btw). And not the substance of the point, but the nitpicking of factual details, mainly because they were so easy to track down and verify. Obama claimed Henry Kissinger and other of McCain’s own aids said the very same should be done. Ha! Except that I was near a computer, googled it, and discovered that Kissinger never said the President should meet with Ahmadnoyoudi’int without preconditions (this wasn’t the page I found at that moment, but I can’t find that page now - google it yourself to do your own fact checking). He said talks should begin at a much lower level. Obama had it wrong. Next, Obama said he never indicated he would meet personally, but would possibly have a cabinet member start the discussions. Nope. Unless he wants to channel Bill Clinton and challenge the meaning of the word “I”.
And advice to Obama - the telecast was carried live in the Middle East, so when Obama described Ahmadinejad’s rants as a crazy lunatic (or whatever it was, I don’t recall exactly), he may have soured Ahmadinejad on Obama, should the conditionless meeting ever come to pass.
In the opening statement Jim Lehrer quoted Dwight Eisenhower. Shortly thereafter McCain provided as part of an answer an anecdote of two letters Eisenhower wrote. One of Diane’s concerns was whether the 72 year old McCain still had all his faculties. Either it was spectacular luck that Lehrer opened with that quote, of McCain really does still possess his full compliment of mental abilities.
I thought Lehrer did a great job of making this about the two candidates speaking to each other and not to himself. And he tried his best to get both to answer the “what would you do without, now that we have to spend $700B on a bailout” question; McCain fired from the hip on Lehrer’s second time around, while Obama stuck with the things he wanted to spend on, not the things he’d have to cut out.
In all, I thought Obama did not perform as well as I’d hoped. I think this debate could be chalked up as a McCain win. This makes my decision harder, as now I’m back to about 50-50 for each candidate, with VP selection favoring Obama. Two more to go. If Obama wants my vote, he’ll need to have a better command of his opponent’s record, his own record and be able to take control of the debate instead of very much looking the subordinate.
And one last thing - I think I agree with Nutmeg on one part of her earlier comments - most everyone has already made their decision and will not be swayed by the debates or any facts presented contrary to their beliefs. McCain and Obama are probably fighting over 10-15% of the population that have not yet made up their minds. I’m part of that population, so taking notes during debates and doing some online digging then posting my findings here feel relevant to me. I’m not really trying to change a McCain or Obama supporter’s mind; I’m not of the left, nor necessarily the right (though I’ve made my leanings as clear as I’m able, and an argument on that last point could probably be made).
Game on, Obama and McCain.






1. nutmeg | September 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Not surprisingly, I thought Obama won the debate hands down. I just can’t accept anything McCain says about the economy when ten days ago he was trying to convince me that the foundations of our economy were sound. Two years ago Obama warned the senate that we needed to initiate regulations on these banks before we had a collapse. Two years ago. That speaks to me of experience. Now McCain is ready to be part of the solution when he has admittedly been part of the problem - the deregulator - for eight years. More of the same. I think Obama clearly won on the economy section of the debate. I think on this issue he sees the whole picture and is far more flexible than McCain. McCain brought up 18 billion dollars in pork barrel spending. I’m so sick of this ridiculous argument. Because of his administration, we are about to close a 700 billion dollar deal due to a total lack of Wallstreet regulation and my children and yours are going to pay for it. Talking about 18 billion dollars of ear marks is silly politicking.
I was concerned going into the debate that Obama would not be able to hold his own on international affairs. I think he did so ‘beyond my wildest expectations’. McCain never addressed that he was wrong to go into this war in the first place. He never addressed the fact that he has stretched our military to a point that we are now far more vulnerable to attack than ever. He ignored the fact that his war in Iraq has strengthened our bigger threat - Iran. He ignored Obama’s points about taking our eyes off the Afghanistan ball, North Korea, etc. What he did, was hand out political retoric. We’re winning… according to whom? I wear a bracelet… Don’t patronize me. He manipulated Obama’s comment that the surge was successful, but he didn’t address the fact that there never should have been a surge in the first place!
This brings me to my final point: Whenever I hear McCain speak, and I listen to everything I can, the bottom line for me is he’s selling french fries. He simply says what he believes the people want to hear and that is determined by who the people are he’s standing in front of. (He told a group of people in Georgia that he was a Baptist in spite of the fact that he’s been attending an episcopalian church - sporadically when he’s running for a position - for fifteen years.) He changes his positions from week to week. He does not instill in me an ounce of trust. I don’t think he is a man of integrity. His choice of VP is glaring evidence of this. Does he honestly think she is the best option for his beloved country or did he think she would earn him a boat load of votes? Irresponsible, especially at age 72 and a four time cancer sufferer..
Obama does fill me with hope, but more importantly, he fills me with far more trust than any other politician I’ve ever followed. He IS the most intelligent man in the room. He proved that at every turn last night. He never stooped to selling french fries.
Barack Obama proved last night that he IS the commander in chief.
2. Natalie | September 27th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I think it was about even. I thought McCain could stand to learn how to use a Poker Face because he looked like he was about to self-combust when he was listening to Obama. It’s that simmering beneath the surface stuff that concerns me the most about McCain. And I think Obama could have come out with a little more passion. I think both men looked and sounded tired. Regardless, Obama LOOKS and SPEAKS more like a Commander in Chief than McCain does. Not exactly the sole selling point, but last night certainly didn’t make me change my mind. There was at one point where McCain was thisclose to losing it and I hope he gets an opportunity to show that off in full force before November.
I also got really sick of hearing McCain call Obama naive. You might want to take a look at your VP pick, man. Sure, she’s been a governor for what? Two years? She’s still wet behind the ears you hypocrite. That’s one of the things that drives me the most crazy about this election. If he is of the thought that she’s “just” the VP, then his reasons for picking her were completely wrong.
(Which I know they are anyway, but that would be the proof.)
Oh, and I think McCain has his smarts intact; it’s his body that’s in more danger of failing him.
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4. Natalie | September 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Oh, and one more thing, I don’t know why this stuck with me, but at the end it was Obama that went up to McCain and said “Good job, John”, he just seemed more gracious. More like a team player, able to shake hands with his opponent at the end of the day. Maybe I just saw what I wanted to see.
I wish I had more valuable insight into this, but I have to admit that my full attention was not on the TV and I had to listen somewhat flippantly to a great deal of it. So maybe my 50/50 opinion really means very little. In fact, my opinion DOES mean very little. My vote won’t count at all in November. Yes, I’m bitter about that.
5. Clayjack | September 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
@Nat,
One other thing I noticed about Obama that’s relevant to your last point - he was the only one that made mention that he agreed with McCain on any points, whether in part or in whole. McCain tried to make it sound as though he disagreed with Obama on everything. I think there’s an inherent danger in that, both in appearing that you are so different from the other candidate, and that you’re just a mean SOB.
@Nutmeg - I haven’t looked at the pingback post yet, but I have the feeling it was saying something nice. Thanks for that.
6. wrh | September 28th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Fence Sitting: painful for you, bad for the fence.
Obama 08!
7. wrh | September 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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8. Jack | September 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Back from your trip? Anyone get their hand dipped in warm water while sleeping?
9. wrh | September 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am
No, but I did high ropes and ate smores. I also think I have trenchfoot from the amount of rain. It was actually quite wonderful.